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republicans are going to try to negotiate a short-term debt ceiling deal so they can try to go for a grand bargain. second-term presidencies have just been spent and filled with misspent political capital that has just eoverreach in terms of presidents looking for a legacy and overspending their political capital. that's the risk president obama -- >> interesting in this cnn poll that just come out, how is president obama handling his job as president, approve 53%, disapprove 42%. but when they are asked how is the country headed, right direction 35%, wrong direction, 57%. they approve of the president but think he's going completely in the wrong direction. he's a lucky boy, many would argue, that he's gotten a second term, given the state of the economy, given the fact that most americans think the country is going in the wrong direction. he's been given that lucky second chance. and he campaigned well. you have to give him that. what are his challenges in the second term? >> the first thing every president has to be careful of in a second term, as margaret alluded to is overreach. there'
business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. gerri: the debt ceiling deal and senator mike leigh. with more on this, we have former republican senator of wyoming, former cochair f the definition. thank you for being on thh bus, we appreciate your time we are glad to have you any way we can get you. >> there are a lot of people that would like to give me. [laughter] gerri: you are always a hoot. let's talk about the debt ceiling debate. we are all focused on this week and the president has been talking about it. what is your view on whether spending cuts should be part of the debt ceiling debate? i think that would be a serious mistake. i'm a republican, i have been so since i voted for ike in 1962 and let me tell you ie mistake. you are not talking about one thing that has to do with cutting spending. you're talking about everything and he paying your debts of the guys in the congress talk about an republican republicans drama. and every one of them has something to do with wanting ... and now you have to pay it. and you better pay and where your country is
debt ceiling despite? he seemed a little angrier you guys. >> yes, he did. he seemed annoyed at the fact that he had to deal with a coequal branch of government. a group of pesky individuals elected by the people. >> yes, that's right. we have the audacity to insist that we follow the law and that we continue to make the law and yes, we have our work cut out for us. >> i was noticing that since 1990, we have raised the debt ceiling 18 times. back in 1990 come the first time we raised it, the debt ceiling was $3.12 trillion. the debt ceiling is raised, the spending gets raised. and it never comes back down. >> that's right, it goes up and it never comes back down. in the past, sometimes we have insisted on cuts along the way. now we're finding ourselves in a position where we have $16.5 trillion of debt and cuts are not going to cut it anymore. it has to be more than cuts. it needs to be permanent structural spending reform. that's what we need. >> what john boehner headset is dollar for dollar. spending cuts with debt ceiling heights. what should they cut? give me a list. you
they might do and trade off it. the debt ceiling, first of all, how big of a deal would it be to the markets in general? >> if they extended it 45 days, it would be relief. everybody is expecting march 1st problem. around december 10th looked like the president would meet the speaker. markets, beautiful rally from the december 10th to the 18th the markets rallied beautifully. from the 18th to the end of the markets dropped 4%, 4% from december 18th to the end of the year because all the good things we thought were happening behind the scenes fell apart. david: let me challenge you on that though. some people say they want to lock in the lower capital-gains tax rate at the old tax rates. therefore they were just taking their profits off the table? >> the market thought that they were going to meet in the middle in terms of the president actually giving in towards spending cuts. he pulled back on the spending cuts hardcore. i think here, looks like gop, looks like the gop will extend the debt ceiling another 45 days. that is why the market was up yesterday. the market is way ahead of this. but
fighting and hammer out a strategy to deal with the looming debt ceiling. melissa: chaos in algeria, the fate of dozens of hostages is unknown. some reportedly have escaped. fox news middle east analyst and lou dobbs will weigh in. first, time for stocks, let's check with the floor the new york stock exchange, nicole petallides is standing by. the dow just awful session highs, but not having a bad day. nicole: not bad at all. up about 90 points off of the highs of the day. was yesterday a fluke? we had five days of gains, gave back a little bit yesterday and back in the green again. look at the nasdaq up more than half a percent. the s&p 500, gains across the board. economic news for labour numbers and those were good, housing starts have been on the move as well, that was well above expectations. let's take a look at some of the homebuilders in particular, which have had a great run recently. tilden permits at multiyear highs. ben willis yesterday talking about optimism. there is a look at lennar. to give an idea of how well the homebuilders have run up, to put together a chart wit
deficit reduction plan. understand that fitch is not just looking for an 11th hour debt ceiling deal that sets the table for another mini crisis down the road. the federal government hit the debt limit as you know on december 31st. the treasury is using so-called extraordinary measures to pay its bills through mid-february or early march. now, fitch predicts washington will extend the debt ceiling despite the current war of words between president obama and republicans in congress. what happens if we get downgraded? it happened before. remember 2011, when standard & poor's did it. that hit markets and the wider economy hard, but it didn't cause interest rates to increase. this time could be different, however, because the rest of the world is getting its act together. even successful businesses like ford are worried. here's what ceo alan mulally told me today. >> i think the most important thing to your point is that we come together around a solution that allows us to live within our means, to reduce our budget deficits, and also to deal with our trade deficits, and create an enviro
're going to face it again, you know, debt ceiling stuff, what is the republican strategy in dealing with the democrats? david. >> you know, mike, i was on capitol hill this week talking to top republicans, and i'm getting a sense and you're seeing it written about as well, that they would maybe like to step away from the brink about the debt ceiling. they do want to force the issue about how can they get this president to agree to additional spending cuts? the debt ceiling is a dangerous game. i think they recognize that politically. they'll push -- the question is how -- how do they push on the debt ceiling? do they say, look, we'll give you a short-term extension of the debt ceiling for a certain amount of spending cuts, or we'll give you a long-term extension like you want for even more spending cuts. can they force entitlement reform around medicare, for instance, even some of the -- in their view -- more limited things that the president wants to do around means testing and age and indexing to try to attach that to a debt-limit deal. do they move beyond the debt limit, try to g
that this deal now would have to include an extension of the debt ceiling that they just got to avoid the fiscal cliff. well, he ultimately folded on that. so as a tactical matter, even in their minority position, they can look at this and see, well, there is some gain to be gotten here if we keep pushing on this. i think the flip side of this is also a big challenge for the president. if he really wants to unshackle the economy, if he wants to get more robust economic growth, does he not want to be more proactive about dealing with some of these entitlements, with dealing with the budget picture, even where he has real problems with his supposed, you know, partners in this to republicans? does he not want to take advantage of the power he has to try to advance this, to get more robust economic growth independent of his misgivings about his partners here on capitol hill. >> chuck, i think it's fair to say that harry reid was somewhat marginalized during negotiation biden sort of swooped in to save the day. what do you see as his role going forward as we edge toward these upcoming fiscal cliffs?
a plan that would gradually deal with these problems. you lift the debt ceiling because you have resolved what is standing in the way. must be a smarter way to approach this. tracy: i get what you're saying. you need some sort of litmus and some sort of bar. but at the same time the markets moved on from this. if they were that concerned we would be down more than 20 points today. we still have a pretty darn good credit rating even though moody's keeps threatening to drop it. they threatened before. if we were in such dire straits, i think you would be feeling it in other places and really aside from us blow harding about it on the news all the time. i'm not sure anybody cares. >> well, that is a great point. markets are reading a lot of different tea leaves and have a lot of different concerns. the first point i would make, keep in mind the u.s. is still a better economy than so many of the economies around the world. and so we benefit from that. we remain the a safe haven at the moment, until we aren't anymore. the question is, when will that happen. the second point is, markets have ma
identify two distinct issues we have to deal with. you said of the upcoming debt ceiling showdown, the president wants an automatic credit card and he's not going to get one from the congress. i like to point out, i understand why that analogy has been made and in the past i have made it myself, but i sort of decided that i don't like it anymore because the debt limit's different from a credit card in that with a with regard you charge items when you purchase them with the intent, the agreement to pay that. the debt limit is not actually a license to spend but to pay bills. a bit of an anachronism. only denmark has it elsewhere in the world. it forces a discussion on spending cut but it's not what the debt limit is for. >> your explanations have been right on target. let me tell you what i would wish the president would do. i hope the president's successful, because as a country if he's successful, we'll be successful. but he's got to begin to negotiate with the house and the senate to find a path forward on spending less and borrowing less or we're going to be on an unsustainable
with dan gross. his latest piece is titled "obama brinksmanship puts gop in tough spot on debt ceiling." so dan, you write that while you fall off a cliff, you only bump your head in to a ceiling but economically the ceiling has the capacity to deliver far more damage. you are talking like my friend steve kornacki here. what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount of leverage and interconnected with everything else and sort of see what happened in 2008. it's also this issue of, you know, who gets paid? if you start to have to say maybe soldiers get paid but not paying for the fuel or these doctors will get paid, you know, government is a huge force in
deficit reduction deals that were contingent upon or in the context of raising the debt ceiling. you yourself four times have done that. three times those have been related to budget deficit maneuvers. what chuck and i and i think many people are curious about is this new adamant desire on your part not to negotiate when that seams to conflict with the entire history of modern era presidents on the debt ceiling and your own history on the debt ceiling, and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because nobody is talking with each other about how to resolve this? >> no, major, i think if you look at history, getting votes for the debt ceiling are always difficult. but we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position, that we came within a few days of defaulting. and the fact of the matter is that we have never seen the debt ceiling used in this fashion, where the notion was, you know what, we might default, unless we get 100% of what we want. that hasn't happened. now, as i indicated before
market. >> or maybe the debt ceiling kills the dell deal. marty, last word, do you think it will happen? >> it looks like a stretch. it's a big deal. you would have to have several lbl firms involved in it. they have to raise a lot of debt. it's a stretch. >> marty of fridson vision, thank you. it's a stretch, he says. >> and the fundamentals don't go away, either. >>> still to come, the new corvette scores a win for general motors. ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. make it worth watching. introducing the 2013 lexus ls. an entirely new pursuit. >>> welcome back to "worldwide exchange." if you're just joining us, i'm kelly evans. >> and i'm ross westgate. >> urging action, obama, bernanke and geithner all say congress must raise the u.s. debt ceiling or cause irreparable harm to the economy. fitch joins in and saying any delay will cause a formal review. >>> dell eye tess private life. reports say the pcmaker has been in talkses with several private equity firms in recent months about a possible buyout. >>. >> announcer: you're watching "worldwide ex
forward on some key issues such as gun control, immigration reform, tries to deal with the debt ceiling. and finally, we're told that the president will push to get the public engaged, engaged in their community, engaged in the issues to put pressure on congress to move the president's initiatives forward, john. this is seen as sort of the stage one or the act one, part two will be the president's state of the union address where he'll add more details to his proposals. >> you split it into acts there, dan, appropriate because we saw the president today, the swearing-in ceremony, but because this is a sunday, we saw him only briefly in the blue room. how has he been spending the rest of the day, and what are his plans for this evening? >> reporter: this evening within this hour, the president will be heading to the building museum for a candlelight reception there. he will be making remarks, but much of the day, you know, was quite busy earlier in the day, then had some down time. the president's still working on his speech. we're told that he's in the final stages. he did a lot of it o
'd never use the debt ceiling to negotiate. there's been three or four deficit deals reached during debt ceiling negotiations. that's what they've been used for in the past. in fact, you voted no on raising the debt ceiling in 2006, and some other things. and then to see him actually, he looked shocked that his loyal cadre of acolytes that someone would actually broach the subject that, you know, that he actually had a tough time answering. >> i think it shows the position he's in, though. he gets attacked from the right and the left. >> he doesn't get attack. the questions i want asked are never asked of him anywhere. >> he should come on "squawk." >> that's not going to happen. >> i'll get out. is that possible? >> no. >> i had a story but we'll talk about that one later. >> what's your story? >> we'll do it later in the broadcast. >> about nerds? >> what else would it be about? you want me to talk to here? i'm going to talk to here. coming up this morning's top stories, plus we're going to hop behind the wheel with nissan ceo carlos ghosn at the detroit auto show. first check this out
the federal government runnings, either because you have hit the debt ceiling or because you have run out of legal authority to spend money, because the spending bill has expired, everything else looks secondary by comparison. i think both side agree you have to deal with this first. then maybe you move on to guns and immigration and other issues down the line of the first order of business of the government is to fund the government itself. you've got to do that first and that is really i think the way washington looks for the next couple weeks. tracy: i have a few seconds. we've been hearing and rich edson reporting they might talk about delaying obamacare to keep money on the table. do you actually think that would fly? >> no, i don't. i think that is probably not possible. other things that happen short of that. you will not get votes in the senate to see happen. tracy: gerry seib, thanks for being here and explaining at least some of it to us. "wall street journal's" gerry seib. >> sure. tracy: it is confusing. lori: the bottom line is our debt-to-gdp ratio is unsustainable. tracy: r
because of scheduling, the need to deal with the debt ceiling, the need to deal with the looming she quester and the house republicans' concern that if they do anything on tax reform, that they may leave themselves up to the senate not to take action, and, therefore, they've taken an unpopular vote for no reason. why are you optimistic on tax reform? >> first of all, we have to resolve this debt can crisis in terms of -- this debt crisis in terms of sequestration and in terms of the full faith and credit of the u.s. in the next six weeks. we aren't going to accomplish tax reform in the next six weeks. so we have a deadline that i think cannot basically be moved for what we need to do. and so that will leave us adequate time to tackle the longerrer-range problems -- the longer-range problems. we're not going to accomplish tax reform in the next six weeks. but we need to, essentially, deal with the sequester, essentially find a balanced approach that's going to raise a trillion dollars or close to it. and so that's why i have some optimism, because we need to face up to the next six we
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of these issues. trying to avert the debt ceiling debate by invoking the 14th amendment, cementing dosh minting the trillion dollar coin -- do you think those are viable options, would you be opposed to them being used? , i don't believe anyone should hold the -- >> i don't believe anyone should hold the american people ransom for what they could not get done in the ballot box. paying for our debts in the past -- for things we did, we borrowed money. republicans and democrats alike past these budgets -- passed these budgets. in our publicans are saying they don't want to pay for the things they voted for -- now republicans are saying they don't want to pay for things they voted for in past budget. to allow them to put conditions on the balance deal by saying we are going to ask for a ransom, devastating cuts to social security and medicare, in order to cover costs for things like the bush tax cuts, unpaid wars in iraq and afghanistan -- i agree with the president. the american people should not be held hostage with this game of using the debt ceiling as a way to try to extract what you could no
rougher. >> jerry, what about all these issues in washington, the debt ceiling fight on the horizon. is this going to impact the broad economy and the earnings season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is -- these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. i think there's -- you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, they're visible, they're in the media a lot. you know, we follow them i think sometimes like a sport. and so maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much the -- these political match nations -- i don't know i don't want to minimize them, but i think sometimes we miss the point there are really good companies out there who figured out how to make really good money with all this political noise going on. >> and yet, greg, so many potholes ahead. you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling. sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week
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that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government does not pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. it went part of the way, as you mentioned. but it leaves a number of issues still on the table and traditional negotiations are looming. would you characterize that as an additional cliff that is facing us? or do you think it is not as concerning as it was when you raised the term initially? >> as i said, the fiscal cliff, if allowed to take place, would have probably created a recession this year. a good bit of that has been addressed. nevertheless, we still have a fairly restrictive set of fiscal policies now. it is estimated that federal fiscal policy will contract from real gdp growth something on the order of 1% to 1.5% this year, a significant drag on the economy. we have quite a bit to do to address our long-term still beneatsustainability issues. it's going to be a long haul. it's not going to happen overnight, basically because the government b
was in it. >> very difficult. >> the debt ceiling is still around. >> easily, though. >> the debt ceiling is still around. you are still dealing with that and, of course, the sequester issue. there are a lot of questions about what happens. we're speccing to run into that debt ceiling sometime between february 15th and march 1st. in the meantime, let's talk about corporate news. aig is suiciding maiden lane over lawsuit rights. it's the federal vehicle created during aig's bailout. at issue is whether the insurer transferred its rights to sue for losses that it incurred on its troubled bonds when it sold $2 billion in securities to the fed in 20308. aig is preserving its right to sue the federal government and other debts. >> fed chairman ben bernanke is going to speak and answer questions at the university of michigan. in d.c., president obama is said to be forging ahead on a wide ranging plan to overhaul the immigration plan this year. this includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country. immigrants would have to pay fines and back taxes. it would require bu
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discussed is trying to avert the debt ceiling debate by either invoking the 14th amendment, minting a $1 trillion coin. what do you think about those? do you think those are viable options and would you be opposed to them? >> i don't believe that anyone should hold the american people hostage for a ranssome that they couldn't get in the ballot box. and that's what we see being done with the whole issue of the debt ceiling. for things we did we borrowed money. in fact, republicans and democrats alike passed these budgets and now republicans are saying they don't want to pay for the thing that is they voted for in these previous budgets. that to me is not the way you run government once again and to allow someone to play political mischief, to put preconditions on a balanced deal by saying we're going to ask for a ransom devastating cuts to social security and medicare, in order to cover costs to things like the bush tax cuts, unpaid for wars in iraq and afghanistan don't make sense. so i agree with the president. the american people should not be held hostage with this game of using the d
because of scheduling and needing to deal with the debt ceiling and the looming sequester and house republicans concerned that if they do anything on tax reform, that they may leave themselves open to the senate not taking action. therefore, they have taken in on popular vote for no reason. >> first of all we have to solve this debt crisis in terms of sequestration and in terms of the full faith and credit of the u.s. and. we are not going to accomplish tax reform in the next six weeks. so we have a deadline that cannot basically be moved for what we need to do in the next six weeks. so that would leave adequate time to tackle the longer-range problems. we will not publish tax reform in the next six weeks, but we need to essentially deal with the sequester. since we find a balanced approach that is going to raise the trillion dollar surplus to it. that is why i have some optimism. because we need to face up to the next six weeks and solve it and then move on. >> [inaudible question] i'd like to ask you about one of the big things involving entitlement reform. how big of a package wo
there not be crisis after crisis dealing with the debt ceiling. >> you said last night, you've got to put on a yogi bear costume to make sense of it. >> returning a lot to shareholders. >> one wonders. >> $12 million they're talking about. >> they have been increasing, of course, ever since the huge cuts that had to take place. what is it going to be now, four years ago, right? >> that period, $6. >> yeah. >> march of '09. amazing, coming up on the four-year anniversary. >> do you ever worry about your paycheck? >> yeah. i think you worry about money you had in any bank account or anything. sure. ge was to cushifocused in the ff '08, that was the moment where it could all come to -- >> that was after the ge bailout. >> sorry, not to revisit the -- >> we have to remind people where we came from. tim geithner leaving, david faber is worried about his paycheck. >> speaking of paychecks, let's talk morgan stanley. wall street firm reporting fourth quarter earnings 45 earlier on squawk, james gorman said his firm is poised to improved market environment. which shows a lot of promise if uncertainty is re
to do and authorize an increase in the debt ceiling so we can pay our debts. i think that is what will eventually happen. i do not think the going often the other direction would be that helpful. >> -- that going off in the other direction would be that helpful. >> i am a second year at the board's school. does the debt ceiling still have a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> it has got symbolic value. maybe one or two other countries, but essentially no other countries and the world have this particular institution. the congress appropriates $100, tells the government to spend $100 on whatever, and then it raises $80 in revenue through its tax code. the arithmetic here says, you have to borrow $20. no, congress has to give a third 100-80 = says the 180at 20. logically, there is got to be something to make up the difference. the way to address it is by having a sensible plan for spending, insensible span foplar revenue. as i was saying before, this is like a family saying, we're spending too much. let's stop paying our credit card bill. that is n
that the president of the united states voted six years ago against raising the debt ceiling. connell: are they to gather on it? speaker boehner, we cut a deal, but he does not have the votes to do it. are there more together than we think? >> they tend to bring the caucus around a central focus. obviously, the debt ceiling is important. you will see some real coalition around the boehner real. you know, hopefully that is something that is sealable and relevant to the white house. it used to be pay-as-you-go. connell: times have changed. dylan glenn, thanks a lot. dagen: is lawmakers screw up or interest rates going up? peter hayes oversees more than $100 billion in assets. good of you to be here. they mess up on raising the debt ceiling, do you think interest rates will shoot up or what can we expect in terms of that market? >> expect volatility. the bottom line is you will see volatility. the longer we go and connell talked about some of the issues in washington, how you get there, missing payments and so forth. it will get messy. they seem to react only when their backs are against
and the time we deal with the debt ceiling and we may meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over 10 years in the long-term deficit and to put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today, because as important as they all are today we have a more urgent and immediate call and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics better than anyone so i'm not going to repeat them. on that score, i owe an incredible debt of gratitude to you at the head table and those of you in the room. i know we don't have unanimity in this ballroom nor do we in any ballroom, but we all acknowledge that we have to do something. we have to act. and i hope we all agree, there is a need to respond to the carnage on our streets and in our schools. i hope we all agree that mass shootings like the one we witnessed in newtown 34 days ago cannot be continued to be tolerated. that tragedy has affected the public psyche in a way i have never seen before. the image of first graders, not only
deals that were contingent upon or in the context of raising the debt ceiling. you, yourself, four times have done that. three times, those were related to deficit reduction or budget maneuvers. what chuck and i and i think many people are curious about is this new, adamant desire on your part not to negotiate, when that seems to conflict with the entire history in the modern era of american presidents and the debt ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. and the fact of the matter is, is that we have never seen the debt ceiling used in this fashion, where the notion
, the big fights over the budget and the dealt ceiling and deficit -- the debt ceiling, deficit reduction, also the bin laden raid and what happened in egypt and libya. and so i'm looking at how obama made the decisions he made and took -- why he took the actions he took in that very pear rillous time -- perilous time for him politically. but i also explained how this is all done in a way to set up the 2012 campaign that we just went through. he had a theory, after he took that big hit in 2010, he had a theory that he could make the 2012 race a choice not just between him and mitt romney, but a choice between different ideologies, different approaches to government, between different sets of visions and values. and everything he did, um n that time frame he kept trying to tether to this big idea he had about a choice. and when i wrote
to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in a deal, it certainly went part way, but leaves a number of issues still on the table. would you care to raise that as an additional fiscal cliff that is facing us? would you think that it's not as concerning as it was when you raise that term initially? >> as i said the fiscal cliff, if it is allowed to take place, it probably would have traded a recession this year. a good bit of that has been addressed. nevertheless, we still have fairly restrictive fiscal policies now. it is estimated that federal fiscal policy will we have quite a bit to do to address the their long-term sustainability issues. there's a lot more work to do. let me be very clear about that. it's going to be a long haul and it's not going to happen overnigh3 it's going to be a long haul and it's not going to happen overnight. we because the government budget represents the values and priorities of the public and the decision
problem we need to deal with, martha, the misuse of the term default that emerged in the last debt ceiling crisis in august of 2011 when used on both sides of the aisle, when we reach the point the united states didn't have anymore borrowing authority that automatically meant default. it doesn't. that was a false definition then. it is a false definition now. we have enough money to operate essential components of this government that we can go on for a very long time. this isn't a crisis that hits a deadline that turns it into default. furthermore the economy of the united states, if we continue on this trillion dollar plus a year increase in our national debt does eventually hit a place of insolvency. that is what i fear. that is what most conservatives fear, martha. martha: but the president is basically saying to you, and the rest of the republicans in the house, that he is going to raise the debt limit. that the debt limit is going up. there won't be any negotiations over spending cuts that might offset that increase. there is going to be no negotiation. so what will you do? >> first
with the fiscal cliff, they've heard us with the election and the last debt ceiling. and they heard us with the italian bonds. they're saying, maybe the media is too negative. >> speaking of deals, let's talk about one deal that does not look like it's going to happen. u.p.s. is abandoning the takeover of dutch delivery firm citing resistance from european regulators. u.p.s. had sought to buy them for the european network in business in asia and latin america. not entirely a surprise, i would imagine, since the ecb had sent a number of requirements out. >> but melissa, i think there was a generally held belief this was making good progress. i think the reason you're seeing tnt shares down so sharply because it was something of a surprise. you know, it may trade over there, but the fact ,t is owned largely to -- well, over here, and as you might expect hedge funds have been big players in this. they are getting -- well, they're just getting crushed today, as you see that stock down. it was a debate about creating competition there. there appeared to be the dpd division of lepost, the fr
's some type of deal on not slamming-- or raising the debt ceiling, just the tone, jay carney saying he's encouraged and the republicans trying to beat a deadline and things might be different. >> sure, i don't think anyone in this town is under any illusion, and magically the republicans and democrats are coming together and solve all of these big problems and singing kumbayah. but there are a host of things where they want to come together and find some common ground and the debt ceiling might be one of them, but the republicans have some caveats to that and want to make sure that the senate democrats pass a budget. something they haven't done in the last four years and put some heat on the democrats right there. even as both sides are talking about coming together on some of this, there's going to be an edge to it as well. let's not forget the president is still dealing with high unemployment. and wants to focus on gun control, immigration reform and get those done in the second term and still got things left over from the first term. stubbornly high unemployment said he's going to c
sit here tonight on the eve of the inauguration on monday, on -- just days ahead of debt ceiling conversations, days after fiscal cliff negotiations. was that deal good for poor people? >> for 30 years, we have not addressed this issue, except for the wonderful work that you and cornel are doing in these wonderful people on the panel. politics has neglected the poor. one could say that there was a war on the poor rather than a war on poverty for much of this period. the united states has by far the most poverty of any of the high-income countries as a share of the population. we have the highest in quality. we have the most entrenched underclass. we have had the biggest increases of any quality by leastnd we've had the political response of any high- income countries, so we are standing out on our own. this has been a 30-year trend of soaring in comes at the top, stagnation in the middle, and falling through the floor on the bottom, and the political system has refused to address this for 30 years. so we have reached a calamitous situation in this country, but the fact of the mat
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